How to Get and Evaluate Startup Ideas _ Startup School

All right .

Hello everyone .

I've got a lot of content to get through .

So I'm gonna move fast , buckle in .

If you are looking for a startup idea right now , I'm going to try to help .

But more importantly , I'm gonna try to give you the conceptual tools to think about startup ideas in a sophisticated way , the way that we think about them at Y C .

Here's the thing .

Uh No one , not even Y C knows for sure which ideas will succeed .

And in any case , if your idea succeeds , has as much to do with how well you execute as your initial idea anyway , but certain ideas are much more likely to succeed than others .

And so my goal here is to help you stack the deck in your favor by starting with a promising idea .

The advice in this talk came from several places .

Uh First I analyzed the top 100 Y C companies by valuation and I looked at how they all got their idea .

So I started with some hard quantitative data on how recent billion dollar companies actually came up with their idea .

It also draws on a classic essay by Paul Graham that I really recommend , it's called How To Get startup ideas .

Um It also comes from helping Y C companies that pivot in the middle of the batch and learning over the years .

What advice helps them to find a new good startup idea ?

And then finally , it comes from reading thousands of Y C applications that we rejected and looking at the mistakes that caused good founders to come up with bad ideas And those are the mistakes I want to help you all avoid this talks .

Got three parts .

First , I'm going to tell you the most common mistakes founders make with startup ideas .

Then I'm gonna talk about how to know if your idea is good and then about how to come up with new ones .

OK ?

The four most common mistakes with startup , I guess .

So the most common mistake is just building something that doesn't solve a real problem for your users .

Typically , you can articulate the problem that you're solving , you can put it in words .

But when you actually go and talk to the users , it's just not something that they really care about .

We call it a solution in search of a problem or A S P .

Let's go through an example .

So a lot of founders come up with an idea with this kind of thought process .

They go , hm A I is cool .

What could I apply A I to and then they go look for a problem that they could solve with a I , that's a solution in search of a problem .

And the reason it's dangerous is that if you do that , you'll probably find a problem .

But it will , it will be a superficially plausible problem .

It'll be a made up problem that people don't really care about rather than a real problem that people actually care about .

And if people don't really care about the problem , they won't really care about your solution .

So instead you want to fall in love with a problem .

The best way to find a startup idea is to start with a high quality problem now .

So I founders hear this and they decide to interpret that as guidance to work on some like huge societal problem like , I don't know , global poverty or something .

Um No doubt those are real problems , but they're , they're too abstract to make good starting points for startup ideas .

You need something that's more specific , something that's tractable with a startup .

The next mistake is getting stuck on what we call Tarr Pit ideas .

What's a Tar Pit idea ?

So there's this certain set of common startup ideas that have been around for forever .

They have been applying in droves to Y C Batch after batch for years and when founders start working on these ideas , it's like they've gotten stuck in Tar , they never seem to go anywhere .

So we call them Tarp ideas .

Here's what causes Tar Pit ideas .

They all form around some like widespread problem that lots of potential founders encounter .

And it's a problem , it seems like it could be easily solved with a startup , but it's an illusion .

There's actually a structural reason why it's very hard or impossible to solve , which is why after all these years , no one has solved it .

And you can see why ideas like this would be so dangerous .

Why they will cause so many founders to waste months of their life stuck on a tapet .

Like they're very tantalizing from a distance because they're so superficially plausible as startup ideas .

Here's a concrete example .

This is a very common tapet idea that's been applying to Y C for like 20 years .

This is like the stereotypical college student idea and it goes like this , you think man , every Friday or Saturday , Saturday night when I'm making plans to meet up with my friends , it's so inefficient .

I'm in all these different text threads and chat groups and we're like trying to make plans to meet up .

I'm just gonna make an app to make it more efficient .

Well , it turns out that there are some structural reasons why this idea is hard , which is why in like 20 years of people applying to Y C with this idea , nobody has actually pulled it off .

You can see why so many people have been attracted to it .

It's like it's a problem that almost everyone encounters at some point and it seems like , it would be so easy to solve .

Like you can just imagine the app .

It's just got like a list of events and you invite friends to it .

Like it seems so simple .

The thing about tapet ideas is that they are not necessarily impossible .

Like I'm even open minded that somebody will eventually make the like app to meet up with your friend's idea of work .

Um , is more accurate to think of them as common ideas that are much harder than they seem .

So if you want to work on one , um Here's my advice first Google it , it's amazing how many founders skip the step of just like Googling for their own startup idea to see who has worked on it in the past .

You should find who's worked on this in the past and actually talk to them if you can try to figure out what the hard part of this idea is that has caused other people to not be able to solve it yet .

The next mistake is simple .

It is amazing how many founders will basically just like jump into the first idea they have without even stopping to consider whether it would actually make a good business , but more dangerous is the founders on the opposite side of the spectrum who sit around waiting for the perfect startup idea .

And of course , there is no such thing .

So these people just never actually start a company .

So if you imagine that there's like a spectrum between picking the first idea that comes to mind and waiting for the perfect idea .

And you know , somewhere in the middle there is this like happy place , which is the place that you want to be , right ?

And the way that Paul Graham put this is that you should think of your idea as a good starting point , new startup idea is perfect and no matter what you start with , it's probably gonna Morph anyway .

So you just want to have an initial idea that has enough interesting qualities that can morph in the right direction .

So now suppose you have a startup idea and you want to know if it's good .

I'm going to give you a framework for this .

And the format of the framework is 10 key questions to ask about any startup idea .

So the first one is , do you have founder Market Fit ?

If I depict like one most important criteria , it'd probably be this one .

And what I mean by founder Market Fit is just , are you the right team to be working on this idea ?

And uh a great example of what good founder Market Fit looks like is Plan Grid .

So Plan Grid makes an ipad app to view construction blueprints .

And two of the founders of Plan Grid were Tracy and Ralph and Tracy had worked in the construction industry and she knew a lot about construction .

And Ralph was an awesome developer who was like the perfect person to build this ipad app .

If you're going to imagine a team to start plan grid , the team that you would imagine would look , you know , something like that .

And that's what good founder market fit looks like .

It's like this team is obviously the right team to work on the idea .

In fact , founder Market fit is so important that I would recast your search for a startup idea .

When most people go to pick a startup idea , they try to look for a good startup idea like in the abstract .

And instead I would think about this exercise as an exercise to pick a good idea for your team .

You with me , it doesn't matter if something is a good startup idea for someone else , if it's not a good idea for your team , so you may as well just look for ideas that you would actually be good at executing .

OK .

Number two , how big is the market ?

Obviously , you need a big market , which for startups typically means like a billion dollar market .

But actually less obviously , there are two kinds of markets for startups that are good .

Um Ones that are big now and ones that are small but rapidly growing .

And uh an example of the second one is Coinbase .

So when coin base got started in 2012 , the Bitcoin trading market was miniscule .

But even at that time , it was pretty obvious that if Bitcoin succeeded the way people hoped that it would , that this would eventually be a billion dollar market .

Number three .

How acute is this problem ?

So , as I said earlier , the most common mistake is just like working on something that just isn't really a problem or it's just not a problem that people care enough about .

Um Here's an example of the opposite .

Here's an example of what a good problem looks like .

Rex .

So Brax from winter 2017 makes a credit card for startups .

And before bracks , if a startup , N Y C wanted a corporate credit card , they literally could not get one because no bank would give a credit card to a startup .

That's a good problem .

Like if you're , if the alternative to your solution is literally nothing , that's what a good problem looks like .

OK .

Next , do you have competition ?

Now , most founders think that if you have competition that that's bad , but counterintuitively it is the opposite .

Most good startup ideas have competition .

But if you were going up against especially entrenched competition , you typically need a new insight .

Next one is like , do you want this personally ?

Do you know people personally who want this ?

It's amazing how often people start companies where the answer to both these questions is no .

If that's the case , you definitely got to worry that you know , maybe nobody wants this .

So definitely time to go talk to some users .

Did this only recently become possible or only recently become necessary .

So something has recently changed in the world , like a new technology , uh regulatory change or a new problem that is often what creates a new opportunity .

And um a great example of this is a company called Checker which does background checks via an via an API .

So it's a api for doing background checks on people .

And roughly the story of Checker is delivery services like doordash and Instacart and Uber started to take off and they were all hiring huge pools of delivery people and workers and they needed to run background checks on all of these people .

And there were at the time already a bunch of large existing companies that run background checks , but they weren't well suited for this very new use case .

And that is like exactly the kind of change in the world that creates a new opportunity .

Let's talk about proxies .

So a proxy is a large company that does something similar to your startup , but it is not a direct competitor .

And so um a good example of this in practice is a company called Ray , which does food delivery in Latin America .

And when Ray got started , there were already food delivery companies in other parts of the world like doordash .

They were doing very well .

They just hadn't caught on in Latin America yet .

And so doordash was a great proxy to show that this idea of doing food delivery in Latin America would probably work is this an idea you'd want to work on for years .

But this is a tricky one , like , sure if the answer to this question is yes , that's a good sign .

But often it's not often an idea grows on founders over time as it starts to work as I'm gonna talk about in a moment .

A lot of the best startup ideas are in both spaces like tax accounting software or something like that .

Like no one is particularly passionate about , like nobody starts off being passionate about tax accounting software .

Um but tax accounting software is probably a good business .

And if you're actually running a successful business , you tend to become passionate about it over time .

OK .

Is this a scalable business ?

So if you're building pure software , the answer is yes , because software scales infinitely and you can just like check this one off .

Um the place where founders most often get into trouble here is with services , businesses like agencies or DEV shops , anything that requires like high skilled human labor in order to serve your customers ?

OK .

And my last question is , is this a good idea space ?

Which of course means I need to tell you what an idea space is .

This is a concept for my colleague Dalton who you'll hear from later in this course , an idea space is like one level of abstraction out from a particular startup idea .

It is a class of closely related startup ideas like software for hospitals or infrastructure monitoring tools or food delivery services .

And here's the thing and different idea spaces have wildly different hit rates .

Over the last 10 years .

If you started a company that did like fintech infrastructure or vertical SAS for enterprise , the probability that your company became a billion dollar company was astonishingly high .

Whereas if you started something in consumer hardware or social networks or adtec , the success rate was like orders of magnitude lower .

And I can't say that that will continue to be the case for those specific areas because space has flipped from hot to cold over time .

But it is still worth thinking about picking a good idea .

Space and a good idea .

Space is really just one that like you expect is going to have a reasonable hit rate for new startup ideas and one that has founder market fit that way , even if your initial idea isn't quite right , there are probably good adjacent ideas that you can sort of like drift into .

I'm gonna give a good example of like how this played out in practice .

So a good example of picking a good idea .

Space is this company called Five from Y C 1 13 and basically sorry to five is they started making this tool for data analysis and they went to some companies and they tried to sell it and the companies didn't want it .

So they pivoted and they built a different tool for data analysis and they went back to the same companies and they tried to sell them that one and the companies didn't want that either .

But each time they went to companies and tried to sell them some tool for data analysis , they would learn more about what those companies actually wanted .

And so eventually they sort of stumbled into an actual problem into an actual tool for data analysis that companies actually wanted .

And this is why picking an good idea space to start with is so important .

Like because the five trans founders were shopping for ideas in a fertile idea space .

They put themselves in a good position to like bump into a good startup idea .

If they had picked a bad idea space , they probably wouldn't have found anything .

OK .

Before I talk about how to generate startup ideas , I've got one important topic to tell you about .

These are three things that make your startup idea seem bad , but actually make them good .

And the reason that they make them good is that most founders will shy away from ideas like these , which leaves them on the table for smarter founders to go and grab them .

And here they are ideas that are hard to get started .

Ideas that are in a boring space and ideas that have existing competitors , ideas that are hard to get started .

So Paul Graham wrote a terrific article about this called Schlup Blindness , which I'd really recommend reading and the example that Paul discusses is Stripe , y'all know Stripe , they make it easy to integrate credit card payments to your website .

And the fascinating thing about Stripe is that when Stripe launched , there were thousands of developers who already knew that this was a problem .

They had tried to integrate credit card payments to their site and they realized that the existing options sucked , but strangely , not one of them even tried to start Stripe .

And it's kind of a kind of a fascinating question why nobody else tried when so many people were in a perfect position to see this problem .

And the reason is that getting started building Stripe required some things that seemed really hard .

You had to get a special deal with a bank .

You had to learn a lot about the nitty gritty details of credit card infrastructure .

Those things seem so hard that they scared off all the other people who might have started Stripe , which caused them to leave this like $100 billion opportunity on the table for the Stripe founders to go and pick up .

Ok .

The second one is ideas that are in a boring space .

And um a great example of this is Gusto which makes payroll software , payroll software pretty boring , right ?

The thing is there are thousands of people who must have realized the payroll software sucked .

But because this kind of boring problem , nobody tried to fix it until the Guta founders came along .

And the thing is that because most founders shy away from ideas like this boring ideas , like payroll software have a much higher hit rate than fun ideas .

Like apps to find new restaurants to eat at or like apps to find the next song to listen to something like that .

Like fun ideas get picked over boring ideas .

Get left on the table for a long time .

Now you might be thinking Jared , why would I want to work on a boring idea ?

That sounds , you know , boring .

But here's the thing , even if you work on an idea , that sounds fun at the outset .

The day to day reality of your startup is going to be mostly the same .

Anyway , either way you'll be mostly writing code fixing bugs , talking to users , like pretty much the same stuff .

And so I would argue that once the initial excitement of your idea has worn off and you are six or 12 months in and you are grinding out the execution that makes your idea actually work .

How fun the initial idea sounded actually has little to no correlation with how much fun you will actually be having , working on your company .

And the last one is that founders incorrectly shy away from spaces where there are existing competitors counterintuitively .

Most startup ideas , most good startup ideas have existing competitors .

When founders go into spaces with no existing competitors , they often find out that the reason that there are no competitors is because no one wants the product .

Um a great situation is actually a market where there are existing competitors , but you've noticed something that they all seem to have missed or they all just kind of suck .

A classic example of this is Dropbox .

So when Dropbox launched , there were already about 20 cloud based file storage companies .

Dropbox was like the 20th company in its space to launch .

Naively , you might have thought that that made this a bad market .

I mean , you would have gone and looked and said like , oh , there are already 20 competitors .

It seems like a bad market to go into .

But if you were savvy about startup ideas , you would have realized that it actually made it a great market .

And the reason is that even though there were like 20 companies doing this , most people didn't use any of them .

And that strongly suggests that there actually was a problem here , but the existing products hadn't solved it .

And Drew , the founder of Dropbox had a very specific insight about what all of them were missing .

His insight was that basically their U I sucked .

And the reason their U I sucked was that at the time , the way that they all worked is you had to like go to their website and manually upload your files one at a time to their website , which sucked .

Of course .

And Drew had really a technical insight which was that if he integrated directly into the host operating system .

He could just sync your files automatically without you having to do anything .

And that was a real step function change in how convenient these services were to use .

And that was the right insight .

OK .

Let's talk about how to come up with startup ideas .

So it is possible to sit down and explicitly think of startup ideas .

And in a moment , I'm going to talk about how to do this , but it is actually not the best way .

The best way to have startup ideas is to just notice them organically .

Um And if you look at the Y C top 100 companies , at least 70% of them had their startup ideas organically rather than by like sitting down and explicitly trying to think of a startup idea .

And the problem is that when people sit down and try to think of startup ideas , they tend to think of bad ones , they're especially likely to think of the same set of Tar Pit ideas that I talked about earlier .

Whereas startup ideas that occur to you organically are more likely to be good ones .

So if you're not planning on starting a company imminently , and you just want to put yourself in a position to have organic startup ideas in the future , here are three ways to do that .

This is like playing the long game to set yourself up for future success .

Um First is just like become an expert on something valuable .

Uh If you're working at the forefront of some field , you'll see good startup ideas in that field .

And a great way to do that is to go work at a startup .

Uh talked about this in his talk last week .

If you're working at a startup , you will become an expert in the thing that , that startup does .

And that is really putting yourself in a position to have great startup ideas .

And finally , if you're a programmer , um , one thing that can work is to just build things that you find interesting , even if they're not businesses , they're not clearly startup ideas .

Sometimes they like turn into them over time .

And , uh , a really striking example of this is the story of repli , this is exactly how repli got started .

It was just something that Amjad found interesting .

It wasn't supposed to be a startup originally .

OK .

But if you want to generate ideas for startups right now , I'm going to walk through seven recipes for doing that .

I have tried to list these in order of how likely they are to lead to actually good ideas .

So start with the first ones .

OK .

Here's the first one and the best one .

Start with what your team is especially good at and think of ideas that take advantage of your expertise .

The reason that this is so effective is that any idea you come up with this way has automatic founder market fit .

Do you see how this is almost like a hack to generate the set of ideas that has founder market fit .

Here's a great example of like how this worked in practice .

So a good example is this company RESI which is like open door for rental apartments .

And before starting RESI , the founders had worked in real estate and debt financing and they were experts in those areas .

And when they got into Y C , they spent the first month looking for ideas .

But the smart thing that they did is they only looked at ideas in that idea space in like the rough idea space , like the intersection of like real estate and fintech .

And that was a smart move because that is a very fertile idea space for startups , like many billion dollar companies have come out of that idea space .

And the resi founders were experts in that idea space .

And so because of that , their search for a startup idea was pretty quick and painless and pretty quickly they came up with the idea for RESI , which is like an excellent idea and has perfect founder market fit .

So if you have specific expertise , like the Resi founders did , you should definitely start by looking at ideas in , you know , the things that you're experts in .

Um It is weird how many startups apply to Y C .

And we look at their applications and the founders like are actually legitimate experts in something .

But the idea that they're applying with is like something completely different .

Now , if you're , if you're a young founder , if you're in college or something , you may not have had a chance to develop like the level of domain expertise that the rei founders had .

So this may not be the right recipe for you .

So let's talk about some other ones .

The next recipe is to start with a problem you've personally encountered .

Ideally one that you're in an unusual position to see .

So Vet Cove is a website for veterinarians to order supplies .

So you can think about it like amazon dot com for vets .

And the short story of Vet Cove is that the founders are brothers and their dad is a veterinarian .

And growing up , they would notice that the way he ordered supplies was like super old fashioned .

Like you'd have to like call up a supplier on the phone and like order stuff through like a 1 800 number or something .

It was like , very obvious that you could build an Amazon dot com kind of thing that would replace that .

And I , I love the story of Vet Cove because it's such a great example of what a great startup opportunity looks like because thousands of veterinarians must have known that this was a real problem that it was really annoying .

There wasn't like a basic website where we could just go to order supplies , but the thing is veterinarians don't start tech startups very often .

And then on the other hand , you had like thousands of programmers in Silicon Valley who were begging their heads against SSP S and Tarp ideas totally unaware that over here there was like a really great genuine problem to work on .

And because of this , when the vet co-founders got started , they had no competition .

So this amazing idea just got left on the table for years .

So if you want to try to actually use recipes , one and two , here's a specific set of instructions for how to do it .

This is advice I often give to founders N Y C who are pivoting and who are looking for a new idea .

Here's how it works for each founder on your team , go through every job you've ever had plus all your internships , plus like other life experiences and think really carefully about each of them .

What problems did you come across ?

What did you learn that other people don't know what are problems or opportunities that you've been in kind of a special position to see ?

Those are the best places to start looking for startup ideas .

OK .

The next one is to just think of things you personally wish existed .

This is like a really classic recipe .

This is very common advice .

Great example of this is doordash .

The short story of doordash is that the founders of doordash were undergrads at Stanford .

And the thing they really wanted was to be able to just order food from local restaurants and have it delivered to their dorm .

And before doordash , you couldn't do that .

So they started doordash and this is a great recipe , but this is the recipe that is most dangerous and potentially leading to Tar Pit ideas .

So if you're using this recipe , you just got to stop and think for a second .

Is there a reason why this thing doesn't exist yet ?

Ok .

The next one is to look for things in the world that have changed recently , that might have created a new opportunity .

A great example of this is COVID .

So when the pandemic started , it changed daily life for all of us .

And uh many founders realized that this created the opportunity for new companies and some very successful startups came out of it .

And one of them is this company called Gather Town , which builds like this fun way to hang out with other people online .

And the founders of Gather Town were actually working on a different idea that wasn't going so well .

And when the pandemic started , they pivoted to this because it was obvious that like the change in behavior of the pandemic had created a bunch of new opportunities .

You can also look for companies that have been successful recently and look for new variants on them .

A good example of this is a company called nuvo cargo .

NUVO Cargo is a good example of explicitly sitting down to try to think about startup ideas and actually finding a good one , which is the thing that I told you , it is hard to do .

NUVO cargo is basically flexport for Latin America .

They help us companies to import stuff from Mexico .

And the story of Novo cargo is that deep .

The founder was working on a different idea .

N Y C and he realized that his idea wasn't gonna work .

And he went on like a systematic search for better ideas .

And he picked Novo cargo for , for very analytical reasons .

He picked it because it was a large market because they were good proxies from other companies , Flexport .

And he picked it even though he didn't have deep domain expertise in the import export space because he had some connections that would enable him to get started .

And he felt like he would just be very good at running this kind of operationally intensive business and that worked really well .

Nova cargo is doing super well .

You can also go and talk to people and just ask them what problems they have .

This , this can't work .

The the downside with this recipe is that it actually requires a lot of skill .

If you want to do this , I would recommend first picking a fertile idea space and then going and talking to people within that idea space .

And I would also recommend talking not just to potential customers but also to poten but also to founders of companies in that idea space to get advice about what ideas are actually worth pursuing .

And a good example of doing this successfully is A TO B and A TO B was in the position that a lot of founders that struggled to find good startup ideas are in , which is that the founders were pretty young and they hadn't acquired a lot of specific domain expertise like the rei founders had yet , but they really wanted to do a startup and they wanted to do a startup that had like a genuinely good idea .

The way that they came up with the idea for A DB was very systematic .

And so I'm going to walk you through how they did it and really break it down for you .

So A to B makes fuel cards .

And if you haven't heard of a fuel card , it's like a special kind of credit card for truck drivers .

When the A DB founders got into Y C , they pivoted and they spent the whole Y C batch looking for a new idea and here's how they did it .

First .

They picked an idea space and the idea space that they picked was essentially software for the trucking industry .

And they picked this idea space despite not being experts at the trucking industry because they felt that it just should be a fertile idea space to go hunting for startup ideas .

So the trucking industry is as like big industry hasn't been that disrupted by startups and software yet .

So they just felt like there were probably some good problems to work on in the trucking industry .

But the problem is they didn't know that much about the trucking industry , so they didn't know what those problems were .

And so they decided that they would turn themselves into experts in the trucking industry .

And what they did is they actually physically drove two truck stops which are places where truck drivers are just kind of milling about and they would just walk up to truck drivers and like start talking to them and ask them questions about what their problems were .

They also talked to a lot of founders who had started companies in the trucking space to get ideas for what problems were actually worth working on .

They would basically talk to like anyone who knew anything about trucking , it was willing to talk to them .

And as they did that , they began to put together like a mental map of the space and where the good ideas were , where the bad ideas were .

And they actually went through a whole bunch of different potential ideas before eventually deciding to work on fuel cards .

And I , I love the example of A to B because A to B is one of the best new ideas to come out of Y C in several years A to B is a phenomenal company .

And the approach that they used to find this idea is something that really anyone could do .

And most founders don't do this because it just sounds like too much work .

So if you're willing to put in the work , this is an amazing way to find a startup idea .

OK .

And my last recipe is to just like , look for big industries that seem broken .

Any big industry that seems broken is probably ripe for disruption .

And finally , I've got kind of a bonus recipe which is to just find a co-founder that already has an idea .

They're actually like a lot of people just on startup school co-founder matching right now that already have an idea and are looking for a co-founder .

So if you don't have a co-founder and you don't have an idea , that could be a great hack to getting both at the same time .

The last point that I want to leave you with is just to remember that it's often hard to tell if a startup idea is good or not .

And so while I hope the concepts that I talked about here will help typically , the only way to know for sure if your startup idea is good is to just launch it and find out .

So if after all this , you've got a startup idea and you're still kind of on the fence about whether it's actually a good idea or not .

That is my advice for you , just launch it and find out