After more than 10 years of cheap money and surging stock prices , rates are rising and tech stocks have crashed .
What stocks should you buy for the next 10 years ?
Joining me now Gravity Capital Management founder and author of where the money is .
Adam Cecil Adam , thanks a lot for coming in .
Congrats on the book .
Appreciate it , Jack .
So let's start really big picture .
The NASDAQ is down around 30% .
The S and P came that close to a bear market .
How should investors be thinking about the market right here ?
Well , generally speaking , Jack , investors should be happy .
I mean , the stock market is a market .
It's a place to buy great businesses and many are on sale now .
It's the only market as Buffett says , where people get upset when things go down .
So you go in the best buy and you look for a TV , you're happy when the price goes down .
So you should feel this way about stocks .
On the other hand , as you suggest , there's been a lot of froth with the easy money policies over the last 10 years .
So you have to be very discriminating and it's really a question of separating the babies and the bath water ?
Ok .
Well , that's the trick , right ?
How do you pluck those babies out of the bath water ?
What are the hallmarks of a company that can thrive over the next decade or so ?
No matter what happens ?
Well , the question you should ask yourself that every investor should ask himself is actually very simple .
Is this business invulnerable to competition , have deep pocketed competitors taken a run at this business and failed .
And this is the whole concept of moats that Warren Buffett has given us .
It's just that as I say in the book , in the digital Age , what constitutes a moat and what constitutes a superior business is quite different than in the late 20th century .
And I love the way you take that analogy one step further in the book , you write about throwing alligators and sharks in the moat .
So nobody can cross it .
Give us some examples of these 21st century moats .
What would have been Coca Cola and Amex for Buffett ?
Well , two that I like right here , especially at these levels .
The first is alphabet .
You know , Google has a 95% share of market uh of search in on online search .
So , you know , being uh Microsoft spent 10 $15 billion trying to make a run at at Google couldn't do it less well known .
Amazon made a run at Google couldn't do it , couldn't build search Bezos told his people treat Google like a mountain , you can climb it , but you can't move it .
That's the kind of business you want .
Uh , you know , the other one that I love is actually Bezos is Amazon .
You know , they have almost 50% share of e commerce , which is itself growing .
And , you know , a few years ago Walmart tanked margins tried to make a run at Amazon and they have less than 10% market share .
So those are two proven battleships for the 21st century .
I want to ask you more about Amazon , but one more sort of big picture question .
So as wonderful as these companies are , the valuations are pretty steep by historical standards .
Now , stocks have had a great tailwind as bond rates have come down for 40 years .
What if we're in a situation where rates are rising ?
I don't know for the next 40 years , could valuations go back to the levels that they , where they were the eighties .
So even if you buy great companies , the valuations will continue to shrink .
Well , it's a fair point .
I mean , you know , interest rates are very important and interest rates are a head wind at least in the short term .
But , you know , I would turn it around and ask you a question .
You know , why are interest rates and inflation rising ?
Now ?
We've had easy money since 89 .
So we've had it for 10 or 15 years .
So the answer to me is pretty clear that it's COVID , you know , we had a tremendous demand stimulus from the government , putting money in people's pockets spending like drunken sailors themselves .
You also had the fed , of course , and then you had a supply slowdown in stoppages because of all the , you know , supply chain constraints .
So when you have more demand and less supply , guess what ?
You have inflation , but it's not structural .
In my opinion , it's cyclical , the structural pieces for inflation .
In my opinion , are quite benign .
Still , you ask yourself why have we had 40 years of low rates and low inflation in a time of easy money .
And it's because one globalization which is teetering a little bit with Russia and China and so forth .
But I think it's still pretty much intact .
And two as I write in the book , Tech is hugely disinflationary .
I mean , before Google , we had to buy maps , we had to buy encyclopedias and you just run examples like that throughout the economy and that's not going away .
Google is free .
Google is free for everybody .
Let me ask you one question about Amazon though .
We got a few seconds left here .
I've seen headlines that Amazon is closing warehouse space closing stores .
That should be a little concerning to .
No , no , no , not at all .
Look , the job of a long term investor is precisely to arbitrate between those sort of short term headlines and the long term substance of what's actually going on .
So Amazon has spent 25 years building out their infrastructure , which no one will ever match .
And in the last 24 months during COVID , they doubled their infrastructure again .
Now sales grew only 65% .
So they over built a little bit so we can forgive Amazon for missing the mark in the worst health crisis in 100 years .
But a they're going to soak up that demand , that excess , I should say excess space pretty quickly .
And b yeah , they're paring back a little bit .
But that's the headline .
The substance is that no one's gonna catch .
Amazon .
Amazon is going to keep growing and it's going to be protected by a very deep and durable moat .
Adam Cecil .
No wonder Bill Ackman liked your book so much .
Thanks for coming in .
Thank you Jack .