on this episode with Cars with J I drove a Honda Civic F N two Ryan lit .
OK , guys , So welcome to 2019 and welcome to my first video on cars with J .
Today I'm going to be reviewing this Honda Civic FN two type R .
So the model I'm driving now is the 2010 facelift model and being a face lift .
It comes with a few extra options , such as xenon and a limited slip diff .
But what's most important is that limited slip diff and how it's completely transformed the driving experience compared to a pre face lift model .
But I'll get on to that later , so I'm going to take this car around some British free roads at the moment .
I want to find out exactly what it's like because the get go .
This thing is actually pretty insane .
And considering what these cars are at in the market at the moment , for like £5000 plus minus 2.5 , you can get some really good examples .
Looking on auto trail .
You can get the cars for 2.5 £1000 at the cheapest , with about 130,000 miles and some dodgy service history .
And on the upper end of the scale , you're looking at 10 to £12,000 for a car with about 20,000 miles on it with very with a very good service history , full service history , probably most likely with Honda .
So that's kind of what you're looking at .
Price wise , the car that I'm driving now is pretty special because it's a deep sapphire blue .
Now the deep sapphire blue is only .
There was only about 115 of those made , and they're extremely rare .
If you're looking on the trailer now , you'll see a lot of championship white editions .
You'll hardly see any , or you probably won't see any deep sapphire blues for sale .
The Honda Civic F N two type power has a K 20 series engine .
This is a four cylinder , two litre engine that produces 198 brake horsepower at 7800 R .
PM being naturally aspirated .
Its torque figures are rather modest .
£142 feet , which is achieved at 4800 r PM .
However , that shouldn't be a concern as it still propels you from 0 to 60 in a respectable 6.4 seconds .
The F N two has a six speed manual gearbox with sensible ratios that allow you to have some fun without breaking the speed limit .
The gearing allows the car to achieve a top speed of 146 miles an hour .
The car itself weighs 1357 kilogrammes , which is 37 kilogrammes more than the E P three type R .
Honda didn't even make up for the added weight by adding extra power to the F N two , so it actually still has the same horsepower as E P .
The E P three was highly recommended because of its independent rear suspension , to which Honda scrapped in the f N two for a less desirable torsion beam suspension set up .
The effect of this is that the car is not as playful as E .
Three , hindering the driving experience .
Let's talk about the way this car feels , because I've been driving this car around the countryside now for about an hour , and I've gotten to know about how the car kind of reacts and kind of its characteristics .
So this car is quite heavy .
But you could do things like take the interior out , put lighter wheels on it , and it will improve it .
I'd say it will improve it a lot .
However , as it comes from a factory , it is something that once you get used to , you can still have a lot of fun with it .
The chassis is extremely playful .
One thing I noticed defeating was the steering .
The steering is extremely precise , and nowadays steering in most modern cars is fully electric , and it's falsely weighted either , Like Audis have extremely unrealistic steering wheels that like weirdly heavy .
And then you've got Mercedes , which are extremely light .
However , the Honda have got it just right with this car .
This car doesn't follow the camera of the road at all .
It's not affected by any undulations in the road , and that's a good thing .
You don't want to be continuously correcting the car when you're taking it for a nice cruise , you want to be able to just point the shoe , and that's what the car does really , really well , the car feels like it wants your input , but it doesn't feel like it wants too much , so that continuously aggravated or you're going to be tired and putting that much effort into driving the car .
But there's still a lot of fun to be had , so the steering just feels magnificent .
As I've described , it's just perfectly weighted .
And so moving on to the gearbox now gearboxes in a lot of cars really do affect your kind of feel with the car .
You don't want something that's too easy to fly in gear .
You don't want something that's too hard , and so it's laborious .
Now this car is just perfect , because if you want to you , it just encourages you to drop it a gear .
You can effortlessly find a gear in this car , and that's what it should be about .
It should be about trying to clamber or or trying to fit it into a gear that it's not supposed to be in .
I find that the gears in this car they're nicely spread apart so you don't have the risk of going into the wrong gear .
Panels of the car are really well positioned , so basically they're quite flat , so if you wanted to do hit and toe and if you wanted to do that for braking , it's quite comfortable to do so .
I know it's like again referring back to the pedals are all over the place .
I don't know what Brenna was thinking , but they are literally just more misaligned , and I guess it's a cheap car .
But with this car , the pedals are really , really well positioned , and the material of the pedals are really good as well .
I don't feel my feet slipping on the pedals , and usually that happens .
Um , they've got the bris on them , which works .
I wanted to move on to the dashboard of the car .
So looking at the dash , I've seen that you've got your rev .
Counter in front of you , just between the gap between the bottom and the top of the steering wheel .
And that really works .
Because in a hot hatch , it's nice to have a needle , a gauge with a needle rather than a digital gauge .
Because as you see the car going to V Tech and going through the gears , the needles really do bounce around , and it kind of adds some enjoyment to the whole experience and excitement , and just above the steering wheel .
You've got the miles an hour , which is spot on .
I think the placement is great .
It would have been nice to see two gauges with needles , But the fact that your everything's driver focus is all centralised and all I have to do is look slightly away from the windscreen .
Just to see what speed I'm going is really good because you don't feel like you're distracted .
The character size of the numbers is large enough so that you can actually look at what speed you're doing without actually taking your eyes away from the road .
So it's very driver focused , and they put a lot of thought into the way they design this car .
It does look weird , though , and I know it looks quite controversial with a lot of people out of its rivals .
It's not the best looking hot hatch .
With its unique lines and spaceship styling , it's definitely the most unique .
However , this particular model in Deep Sapphire Blue looks mature and sensible with a touch of class .
Let's talk about V Tech .
As you can see , this car is really , really dramatic when you open the taps .
I mean , it's got a HKS induction kit , which actually transforms the way the car sounds when you're accelerating .
There's just so much induction noise and there's not a lot of exhaust noise , though , And it's something that I've spoken to the owner about and that he kind of wants to explore at some point .
But he doesn't feel the need to , because the induction noise is far more than adequate .
So it's got a lot of induction noise .
I don't expect to hear a lot of exhaust noises doing fly bys .
You kind of want to film them on the front because that's where you're going to hear most of the noise .
But it sounds absolutely phenomenal , and you can really hear the tone shift when you go past 6000 r PM .
It just enters a whole new realm of the way that the car handles and just another experience , right ?
So while my assistant helps set up the car before I explain this kind of segment of the video .
So basically we're going to do a real world quickness test , and it's a segment that I kind of want to introduce because it shows you how quick the car actually is .
I've got my camera car behind me and he's going to stay roughly about a car length , two car lengths behind me , going around 30 miles an hour .
I'm going to be going at 30 miles an hour as well .
And what I'm gonna do is put my foot down and reach the national speed limit .
Let's say 70 mile an hour and this is going to allow you to see what this car is actually like .
So anyway , um , let's get started .
So I'll start the pace .
Go to 30 miles an hour .
Now I am going to be in third gear for this like you would be .
I'm going to be going 30 miles an hour .
Ryan is going to be going about 30 miles an hour in the camera car , and he's going to be about two car levels behind me , so I'll just let him catch up a little bit .
OK , so now what he's going to do is what I'm going to do now is I'm going to put my foot down .
I'm going to drop into second like you would , and I'm going to accelerate away from him .
So 321 , I need to be taken .
Hopefully , by that you can gauge how quick this car is .
I can see Ryan in the distance and he is very far away .
OK , so as well as me saying , my opinion on the car , it's all well and good .
However , Ryan , who's sitting on the left of me , actually owns this car , and he uses it every now and then .
And I think it's best to get an owner's opinion .
Obviously , you can expect it to be slightly biassed .
I mean , if he's not going to be biassed , it's great on him .
But it's nice to know an owner's perspective because he lives with this car day in , day out .
I've just driven it up and down the road a couple of times .
So , uh , Ryan over to you .
So what ?
What made you buy this car for ?
Let's start with that .
Well , I've actually had another f N two before .
This , as you know , got written off .
Not my fault .
OK , tell tell everyone what happened with the f N two .
The first one , right ?
So I bought I originally had a civic type s and obviously match upgrade was going to the park .
The Honda type .
The original one i f n two , right ?
The f n two .
It was the same shape as this , but in the black .
So it was more common .
It was , And it was a preface .
Was a preface .
I didn't have the o e m or light wash or anything like that .
It was It was , um , preface Lift .
Um , I parked outside my girlfriend's house , and then it got flooded .
Basically , it rained all night , woke up , and it was half underwater .
And I only own the car a month , so I didn't really get to experience it as you wanted to , like , take it off the box properly .
So obviously , I didn't really experience it , as I only owned it for about a month .
Bought a mini cooper r 56 fun car .
Don't get me wrong , but I really wanted another because I just missed the VTech .
It is addictive , so yeah , because you went straight to a turbo car .
And you kind of I think everyone , if you're a pet , your head should experience a naturally aspirated hot hatch because there's not much like it .
A turbo car just doesn't really compare ?
So you looked around and like , did you consider anything else before you went for this ?
Or did you know you were going to go ?
Well , I considered an integrity part .
DC five .
I like them and I still do like them .
But obviously , this is at the time I when I bought this car , it was being it was my daily car .
It was the only car I owned at the time .
So when I bought it , I wanted the creature comforts auto headlights , auto wipers , cruise control , that type of stuff .
Um , which is why I went for this .
This particular car , the F N two .
Um , and , yeah , it looks new .
Like when you look at it from the outside , it's it .
People call it the space ship model .
So you know what I mean .
It still looks fairly new .
I remember Jeremy Clarkson reviewing this , actually , and he talked .
He just talked about how futuristic it looks and stuff .
I don't think he liked the car very much , but yeah , um , it does look really futuristic .
I mean , he's got a really low roof .
I've noticed , and it makes you feel like you're driving a coup .
OK , so you talked about DC five Integra .
But was there any other platform or were you sticking to Honda ?
I was sticking to Honda .
I mean , so the problem is , my mini had a few problems .
Like he kept leaking oil after I had , like , a lot of work done on it .
It still was playing up a little bit .
And Hondas are liable .
So it's kind of a an obvious thing to go for a reliable .
Yeah , and , of course , like it was so it was kind of I've had one before .
I wanted to experience it in more detail a lot more .
I mean , I only add it up .
So this one is quite special , isn't it ?
And extremely rare because of its colour .
What colour is it ?
So this is a deep sapphire blue ?
Um , I believe there's only 100 and 15 of them .
Some people say 100 and 13 .
Some say 100 and 15 .
It's around that .
Yeah , it's around that number .
So it's theoretically more rare .
And then the new well , the championship white 200 edition .
Yeah , of course .
I mean , you look on auto trailer .
There's tonnes of them .
You don't see any of these for sale .
I never know .
Yeah , So I see .
That's why I went for the colour .
It's I didn't me personally .
I'm into my Honda quite a lot .
And I didn't even know that they come in this colour .
I don't know if he was aware that they come in this before .
Honestly , I didn't know that .
So yeah , that's one of the reasons why I bought this .
Is that so ?
This car is deep sapphire blue .
But on top of that , because it is a face lift compared to your old one , which was a 2006 .
What other optional extras does it actually come with ?
So it's got O EMS and obviously headlight washes limited slip diff .
And I think before they introduced a face lift , this was only available on the championship white edition , right ?
I believe so .
Yeah , something like that .
I think .
I think it wasn't a standard .
I think you have to pay extra to have it .
But on the face lift , they put it on all of them .
So you didn't ask for it ?
Yeah , exactly .
You've got an engaged response going through the corners .
I feel like there's a lot more grip , a lot more feel for the steering wheel .
Like every little movement .
I can feel it a little bit more , and it gives you kind of like more traction .
But it feels like it gives you more traction , and it kind of feels like it gives you a lot more confidence coming out .
You're not afraid to plant it because you know that you're not going to understand it .
You kind of Yeah , you get the grip .
You've owned this car for a while now .
It's like , How long have you owned it ?
I've had it a year and two months .
OK , so in that year , like , what do you think of it ?
Did it meet your expectations ?
I glad you went back to it .
Yeah , definitely 100% .
And once you drive like a lot of people slate Hondas , Yeah , that's and whatever , because there's like a Yeah , it's a big thing , but the same as like , you know what I mean .
There's a lot of people that slate , like other cars and the Hondas , and they always .
But until you drive one , they are fun .
They're fun to drive .
I kind of avoided looking at Hondas because I didn't really want to be , uh they didn't seem like they appeal to me until I got behind the wheel of it .
I can tell especially this model .
I've driven an E P three before and the hands down that I thought it was absolutely amazing .
It was .
It reminded me of my Cleo 1 82 and I Love My Cleo 182 .
It's such a well balanced car .
So driving the f n two , I was kind of hoping it would be like the e P three experience .
One thing I can for sure say that it is quite different to the E P .
Three e p .
Three is a lot skinnier , and it feels like a lot more nimble or skinnier tyres .
It's got slightly less power .
However , the I two is a bigger car and naturally , with bigger cars , uh , they feel larger .
You know you can't get away from that and being a bigger car , it kind of makes it appear like it's heavier .
Um , I think this car is actually heavier than the P three , and it's got relatively the same power which usually means it doesn't feel as quick , however , as we showed you in the real world quickness test , this car actually does move quite far .
Another thing I notice about this car and especially my driving .
I talked about the pedal placement before .
The position of the pedals are superb .
The way Honda have done it is great .
It's so driver focused , and it allows you to heal and tow the car , which in most of what hatches they don't really allow you to do .
And if you're a car as easiest , you probably want to learn how to left and brake , and he and toe now the pedal travel is something that took me by surprise .
There's hardly any pedal travel at all in the pedals .
When putting the clutch down , it barely moves to get into gear .
The bike point is extremely fine , so you can store the car easily .
However , luckily , I haven't store the car braking as well .
Brake pedal is extremely responsive , only requires a strong tap and you're already on the brakes and there is a lot a bit more travel than the other pedals , but it gives you that range of control and I think left foot braking with a really sensitive brake pedal isn't always the best if you've ever tried it and the front wheel as well .
There's hardly any movement , but the movement that it does have it still feels like it gives you enough to control its acceleration .
And I think that's great .
You know , the way they've designed the car and made it .
It does feel so driver focused and a little detail .
Like the pedals they've done so well , so I can't really fold them on that .
The way the car goes into gear as well , you know , you can tell they've had a good , long thought about it .
It's they've engineered the car so well .
There's just such a nice resistance level when you're putting the car into gear , and especially when changing up or down , it just wants to carry the gear into whichever way you want to go .
But overall , you know the car is great .
It's just the weight of the car , that kind of mass it for me .
It's still a very quick car .
It just doesn't feel as quick as it should feel .
And that's the kind of only fight with these cars , I'd happily strip out the bucket seat , strip out the car , put bucket seats on it , put lighter wheels .
It's not always people's preference to strip a car out and use it every day , and I can understand that .
But for a car you can use every day , this car is great .
The fuel economy is not too bad as well .
You can average like 35 38 MPG on the motorway .
You could get mid 40 .
It's got cruise control .
So if you do take on the motorway , it's got that extra comfort feature in terms of tax .
Road tax is about £315 on this car , which is if you break down monthly , it's not too bad .
And if you talk about servicing parts so tyres you're talking about £90 a corner , which is not too bad , you don't really go through them that quickly in this car because air panels , the traction is really , really good , and it doesn't necessarily spin up the wheels .
So going through the tyres , which shouldn't be too bad in terms of service , you're talking about £120 for a minor service and £280 for a major service includes Those prices are inclusive of V in terms of general wear and tear .
It's not expensive at all .
Oil is about £30 .
Oils is not too expensive either £10 or something like that .
So it's a relatively affordable car to run When looking to buy a Honda Civic F N two type R .
There are a few things you need to look out for across the range of K 20 series engines in the FN two .
Many owners reported seeing inconsistent oil consumption with some F N two type R consuming a lot more and some consuming hardly any .
Unfortunately , it's up to the seller to tell you how much oil that particular car you're looking at consumes .
The second issue is the gearbox and more specifically , the third gear synchro over time and quite easily it can become damaged and will need replacing .
Honda didn't replace these under warranty , so it's a good idea to check if there's any evidence the change has been made all in all , apart from the two issues specified above , the car should be perceived like any other car when purchasing , make sure you thoroughly check around the vehicle and its documentation .
And if everything stacks up , I would definitely recommend that you buy one .
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